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Tomas Bicik's avatar

Hi Gordo, Do you have any recommendation for a Pmax test for runners? It could be a field test rather than the lab one. I have access to a LAB, but not all my athletes can do the LAB.

I believe it could be also speed/pace Instead of power focused test.

I use your submax test frequently (6x 10 mins. gradually), but for some athletes I would like to test the "max" too. I use for some also the critical speed 6 min. test. Thanks for an advice. Tomas

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I completed this whole protocol and short version is I increased my P-max watts by 30, so very pleased with that! I enjoyed the process very much including the roller coaster of emotions throughout lol.

Longer (TLDR) version (If you're contemplating doing this, hopefully there are a few tips for you below) - Despite having done many red zone workouts over the last 40 years of racing, I hadn't done much red zone in the last 10 to 15 years. I was surprised I didn't have a better memory of how hard it is to do 4X4s near your limit - some memory bias going on there. Due to this I feel the testing at the beginning of the block may have been a bit low. The testing at the end was on point because I was mentally prepared again (like in younger days lol) for what limit intensity felt like.

The emotional roller coaster I mentioned was real for me! First, I became ill with a sinus cold after the initial P-max test, recovered, did the verification test and then did the first HIIT and promptly became sick again! As Gordo has said, these efforts can come at a high cost and can go over if everything (sleep, rest, diet, stress, etc) is not in balance. I almost bailed on this whole thing and was just going to go back to zone 2, but recovered from the second cold, reduced the HIIT target to 85% of P-max and tried again. This got me on a roll and after a couple HIIT at 85% of P-max, I added 5% per session and got to 100% of P-max.

I also ditched the low rpm. I just couldn't do it physically. At 60rpm and my P-max watts, my legs just couldn't do it, they were on fire. It was a choice of don't do it, or 85 rpm, so went with the higher rpm. Perhaps leg strength is a limiter for me.

For the verification test at the end, while the 3 minutes at 110% of P-max was based on the test a few days earlier, I didn't change my LT1 or Tempo watts. I was anxious that I wasn't going to be able to hold my new 110% of P-max number for 3 minutes. As a result, the LT1 and Tempo targets during the verification test were low and very easy (not such a bad problem to have). Not sure if this invalidates the test a little bit as I was very fresh coming into the 3 minutes.

Really enjoyed the process. Thanks so much Gordo for posting this and all the advice you provide. I don't know why you don't have 5 million followers! Lastly, I did follow the Gordo text book protocol here in terms of spending 5 months and about 250 hours at or below LT1 to shift my lactate curve down and to the right. Now enough of that VO2 max stuff and onto the last 15 weeks of an ironman build with my new and improved bike power!

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